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		<title>Comment on Guest Post: On Systemic Violence, Misconceptions, and How We Fail Ourselves by On Systemic Violence, Misconceptions, and How We Fail Ourselves &#124; brendanbikes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On Systemic Violence, Misconceptions, and How We Fail Ourselves &#124; brendanbikes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 06:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] post originally appeared on Considered Exclamations, on December 15th, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The Racist Nature of Critiques of Islamic Culture by Markilov (@markilovgui)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Honor killings and beatings of wives and daughters is not an exclusively Muslim practice: it happens everywhere. Terrorism is not a Muslim invention; it comes from everywhere.&quot;

I&#039;m pretty sure everybody agrees with you, which is why you miss the point. What the criticism of Islam from many thinkers actually is (if you are willing to be generous in understanding the other point of view) is not about exclusivity but prevalence. If one form of religion manifests itself more violently on average, it is not out of the question that the specific doctrines of that religion may possibly be a huge intersecting factor (and therefore specific and focused criticism of that religion is justified).

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&quot;Dawkins, Harris, and all the others who continuously pick out Islam as the world’s one true problem need to think bigger, and need to realize their own innate prejudices. Their critiques are not fair, and they are not rational; they are attacking a certain pattern of behavior and attributing it to one extremely oppressed and marginalized group of people...&quot;

There is a distinction between the political Islam that has real power and privilege in many parts of the world.. and the pockets of Muslim communities in Western countries. To confuse the two is unfortunate and tragic, and frankly, these views seem to come from people who don&#039;t have much experience with Islam outside of their western frame of reference. I hope that&#039;s not true with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Honor killings and beatings of wives and daughters is not an exclusively Muslim practice: it happens everywhere. Terrorism is not a Muslim invention; it comes from everywhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure everybody agrees with you, which is why you miss the point. What the criticism of Islam from many thinkers actually is (if you are willing to be generous in understanding the other point of view) is not about exclusivity but prevalence. If one form of religion manifests itself more violently on average, it is not out of the question that the specific doctrines of that religion may possibly be a huge intersecting factor (and therefore specific and focused criticism of that religion is justified).</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dawkins, Harris, and all the others who continuously pick out Islam as the world’s one true problem need to think bigger, and need to realize their own innate prejudices. Their critiques are not fair, and they are not rational; they are attacking a certain pattern of behavior and attributing it to one extremely oppressed and marginalized group of people&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a distinction between the political Islam that has real power and privilege in many parts of the world.. and the pockets of Muslim communities in Western countries. To confuse the two is unfortunate and tragic, and frankly, these views seem to come from people who don&#8217;t have much experience with Islam outside of their western frame of reference. I hope that&#8217;s not true with you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Racist Nature of Critiques of Islamic Culture by curiousfinding</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 06:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Racist Nature of Critiques of Islamic Culture by Zachary Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 00:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew, these are some interesting criticisms, but &quot;Muslim&quot; is not a race. In fact, every time I visit a mosque, I&#039;m impressed by the vast racial diversity of Muslims. Perhaps you meant to characterize Dawkins et al. as &quot;bigoted&quot; instead?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, these are some interesting criticisms, but &#8220;Muslim&#8221; is not a race. In fact, every time I visit a mosque, I&#8217;m impressed by the vast racial diversity of Muslims. Perhaps you meant to characterize Dawkins et al. as &#8220;bigoted&#8221; instead?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Racist Nature of Critiques of Islamic Culture by Nathan Hevenstone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Hevenstone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with the UC London debate was that Coyne and others were explicitly told that the seating was not going to happen. Basically, they were lied to. Then, to add insult to injury, the seating was &lt;i&gt;not an option&lt;/i&gt; (this is a distressingly common misunderstanding). When you bought a ticket, they asked you your gender. It was a &lt;i&gt;required&lt;/i&gt; question. You &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; to put your gender. Thus the segregation was &lt;i&gt;enforced&lt;/i&gt; by &quot;assigned seating&quot; based on your answer to the question of what your gender was.

As to whether or not Dawkins would say anything about those other cases mentioned, there&#039;s a really easy way to test that: bring them to his attention. Make sure he has all the details.

Then sit back and watch what happens.

As to the recent posts by PZ Myers and Ophelia... one name: Amina.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the UC London debate was that Coyne and others were explicitly told that the seating was not going to happen. Basically, they were lied to. Then, to add insult to injury, the seating was <i>not an option</i> (this is a distressingly common misunderstanding). When you bought a ticket, they asked you your gender. It was a <i>required</i> question. You <i>had</i> to put your gender. Thus the segregation was <i>enforced</i> by &#8220;assigned seating&#8221; based on your answer to the question of what your gender was.</p>
<p>As to whether or not Dawkins would say anything about those other cases mentioned, there&#8217;s a really easy way to test that: bring them to his attention. Make sure he has all the details.</p>
<p>Then sit back and watch what happens.</p>
<p>As to the recent posts by PZ Myers and Ophelia&#8230; one name: Amina.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Racist Nature of Critiques of Islamic Culture by fadsam</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all due respect, this is a complete misrepresentation of the views of the &quot;new Atheists&quot; so to speak. I shall grant you that Dawkins&#039; ignorance when talking about Islam is unparalleled - he speaks with such authority despite never having read the Qu&#039;uran. But as for Harris and Hitchens, their views on Islam, though aggressive and critical, are NOT &quot;Islamaphobic&quot;. 

Firstly, their critiques are not reserved purely for Islam, if you do not believe me please read Sam Harris&#039; &quot;Letter to a Christian Nation.&quot; Hitchens, in &quot;God is not Great,&quot; repeatedly and vehemently attacks the writings of the Old Testament also, a book central to both Jewish and Christian doctrine. 

Secondly, you yourself described Islamaphobia as an &quot;irrational&quot; fear. The position of Harris and Hitchens is not irrational, it is a view resulting from Islamic doctrine such as the punishment for the crime of apostacy (death, incase you didn&#039;t know). I am not saying that such appalling Doctrines are unique to the Islamic religion (reading Dueteronomy 13 supports this), but perhaps the difference between Islam and the other major religions is that Islam is the only religion which still today acts as the central, if not only, foundation for state law, ethics and constitution. In countries such as my own birthplace of Egypt, it is unheard of to oppose, analyse, criticise or question any part of the Qu&#039;uran, 

We must not place religion on a pedostol. Vehement attacks on Islam (notice &quot;Islam,&quot; not &quot;Muslims&quot;) are entirely justifiable and should in fact be encouraged if it can be argued that some of its tenets are evil and do not support a civilised, moral society. 

One simply cannot say there is equivalency between the words of intellectuals like Christopher Hitchens, and the angry, racist rants of groups like the BNP, the EDL etc. One is an analytic and intellectual critique of text and doctrine which has human well-being as its primary concern, the other is a misguided, uninformed IRRATIONAL hatred of a fellow man, with nationalistic notions its primary concern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, this is a complete misrepresentation of the views of the &#8220;new Atheists&#8221; so to speak. I shall grant you that Dawkins&#8217; ignorance when talking about Islam is unparalleled &#8211; he speaks with such authority despite never having read the Qu&#8217;uran. But as for Harris and Hitchens, their views on Islam, though aggressive and critical, are NOT &#8220;Islamaphobic&#8221;. </p>
<p>Firstly, their critiques are not reserved purely for Islam, if you do not believe me please read Sam Harris&#8217; &#8220;Letter to a Christian Nation.&#8221; Hitchens, in &#8220;God is not Great,&#8221; repeatedly and vehemently attacks the writings of the Old Testament also, a book central to both Jewish and Christian doctrine. </p>
<p>Secondly, you yourself described Islamaphobia as an &#8220;irrational&#8221; fear. The position of Harris and Hitchens is not irrational, it is a view resulting from Islamic doctrine such as the punishment for the crime of apostacy (death, incase you didn&#8217;t know). I am not saying that such appalling Doctrines are unique to the Islamic religion (reading Dueteronomy 13 supports this), but perhaps the difference between Islam and the other major religions is that Islam is the only religion which still today acts as the central, if not only, foundation for state law, ethics and constitution. In countries such as my own birthplace of Egypt, it is unheard of to oppose, analyse, criticise or question any part of the Qu&#8217;uran, </p>
<p>We must not place religion on a pedostol. Vehement attacks on Islam (notice &#8220;Islam,&#8221; not &#8220;Muslims&#8221;) are entirely justifiable and should in fact be encouraged if it can be argued that some of its tenets are evil and do not support a civilised, moral society. </p>
<p>One simply cannot say there is equivalency between the words of intellectuals like Christopher Hitchens, and the angry, racist rants of groups like the BNP, the EDL etc. One is an analytic and intellectual critique of text and doctrine which has human well-being as its primary concern, the other is a misguided, uninformed IRRATIONAL hatred of a fellow man, with nationalistic notions its primary concern.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Going to SkepTech! by Brianne Bilyeu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brianne Bilyeu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yay! This is going to be bunches of fun! I look forward to seeing you again, Andrew.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! This is going to be bunches of fun! I look forward to seeing you again, Andrew.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [Forward Thinking]: How Should We Punish People for Moral Failures? by Forward Thinking: Whether or How to Punish People</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forward Thinking: Whether or How to Punish People]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Andrew Tripp went so far as to (in so many words) conscientiously object even to participating in the thought experiment of when it would be right to be each other&#8217;s &#8220;moral enforcers&#8221;: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andrew Tripp went so far as to (in so many words) conscientiously object even to participating in the thought experiment of when it would be right to be each other&#8217;s &#8220;moral enforcers&#8221;: [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;ll Be A Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy: Why Chivalry Should Stay Dead by combs2jc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[combs2jc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just like the personal attacks in your article on people you do not agree with. I guess you and I have more incommon than either of us would have imagined,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the personal attacks in your article on people you do not agree with. I guess you and I have more incommon than either of us would have imagined,</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;ll Be A Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy: Why Chivalry Should Stay Dead by Andrew Tripp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Tripp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for being so constructive in your criticism. You&#039;ve been very helpful.

Well, whatever the opposite of &quot;helpful&quot; or &quot;constructive&quot; is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for being so constructive in your criticism. You&#8217;ve been very helpful.</p>
<p>Well, whatever the opposite of &#8220;helpful&#8221; or &#8220;constructive&#8221; is.</p>
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